{"id":74040,"date":"2022-12-20T13:11:12","date_gmt":"2022-12-20T12:11:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.se\/blogg\/?p=74040"},"modified":"2026-03-04T17:05:49","modified_gmt":"2026-03-04T16:05:49","slug":"skrackexemplen-darfor-maste-pensionslagen-andras","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.se\/blogg\/skrackexemplen-darfor-maste-pensionslagen-andras\/","title":{"rendered":"Skr\u00e4ckexemplen &#8211; d\u00e4rf\u00f6r m\u00e5ste pensionslagen \u00e4ndras"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Lagkravet p\u00e5 f\u00f6re detta arbetsgivares underskrift vid pensionsflytt st\u00e4ller till det rej\u00e4lt f\u00f6r s<strong>parare som vill flytta sin pension \u2013 ett faktum som utnyttjas av stora pensionsbolag som inte vill f\u00f6rlora kunder. I veckan tr\u00e4ffade vi f\u00f6retr\u00e4dare f\u00f6r finansdepartementet, och k\u00e4nslan \u00e4r gl\u00e4djande nog att f\u00f6rst\u00e5elsen f\u00f6r problematiken \u00e4r stor<\/strong> <strong>&#8211; och snart v\u00e4ntar en st\u00f6rre nyhet op flyttr\u00e4ttsomr\u00e5det. <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>N\u00e4r du vill flytta en individuell tj\u00e4nstepension f\u00f6r vilken ins\u00e4ttningar har slutat betalats in (exempelvis f\u00f6r att du bytt jobb), s\u00e5 finns ett krav p\u00e5 att blanketterna m\u00e5ste signeras av f\u00f6rs\u00e4kringstagaren. Det l\u00e5ter rimligt, kan man tycka. Problemet \u00e4r att f\u00f6rs\u00e4kringstagaren i dessa fall \u00e4r arbetsgivaren. Och har du bytt jobb handlar det allts\u00e5 om en f\u00f6re detta arbetsgivare.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Det h\u00e4r m\u00e5ste inte per automatik inneb\u00e4ra problem. Men ofta blir det problematiskt. Om det skrev jag i en debattar<a href=\"https:\/\/www.di.se\/debatt\/debatt-sa-utnyttjas-pensionslagen-for-att-lasa-in-kunder\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">tikel i Dagens Industri h\u00e4<\/a>r, och p\u00e5 v\u00e5rt m\u00f6te med Finansdepartementets enhetschef Tord Gransbo samt Jonas Sundling och Anna Stenberg (som arbetar med flyttr\u00e4ttsfr\u00e5gor p\u00e5 departementet) redogjorde jag f\u00f6r alla hinder som kommer med kravet p\u00e5 f\u00f6re detta arbetsgivares underskrift. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Problem med f\u00f6re detta arbetsgivares underskrift<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Kanske k\u00e4nner du sj\u00e4lv att du har en d\u00e5lig relation med din f\u00f6re detta arbetsgivare, vilket kan g\u00f6ra att kravet p\u00e5 dennes underskrift k\u00e4nns n\u00e4stan \u00f6verm\u00e4ktigt.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Ofta \u00e4r det sv\u00e5rt att f\u00e5 tag p\u00e5 personer som kan signera om den f\u00f6re detta arbetsgivaren g\u00e5tt i konkurs eller \u00e4r i likvidation. Inte s\u00e4llan slutar det med att flytten inte ens genomf\u00f6rs, med konsekvensen att kunder blir fast i l\u00f6sningar de egentligen vill l\u00e4mna.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Det h\u00e4nder inte s\u00e4llan att arbetsgivare inte till\u00e5ter flytt. Det kan vara att det finns n\u00e5gon policy som s\u00e4ger detta, eller att man helt enkelt saknar kunskap om varf\u00f6r det \u00e4r viktigt att l\u00e5ta sina f\u00f6re detta anst\u00e4llda kunna flytta pensionen. Ibland finns m\u00f6jligen ett m\u00e5tt av lathet hos den f\u00f6re detta arbetsgivaren inblandat.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Det h\u00e4nder inte s\u00e4llan att arbetsgivare \u00f6verhuvudtaget inte \u00e5terkopplar trots att spararen och bolaget spararen vill flytta till g\u00f6r upprepade f\u00f6rs\u00f6k att f\u00e5 svar.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Det h\u00e4nder att arbetsgivare tar v\u00e4ldigt l\u00e5ng tid p\u00e5 sig att svara, med risk att spararens egen underskrift av sj\u00e4lva pensionsflytten blir f\u00f6r gammal och allt m\u00e5ste g\u00f6ras om (en underskrift f\u00e5r vara max 6 m\u00e5nader gammal).<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>S\u00e5 l\u00e5ngt kr\u00e5nglet med sj\u00e4lva den f\u00f6re detta arbetsgivaren och de hinder f\u00f6r pensionsflytt som kravet p\u00e5 dennes signatur medf\u00f6r. Dessv\u00e4rre finns en annan faktor inblandad ocks\u00e5 \u2013 att kr\u00e5nglet utnyttjas av pensionsbolag som inte vill se kunder flytta sitt kapital. Och ju mer kapital det handlar om, desto mer nyttjas kr\u00e5nglet och desto mer ovillig \u00e4r pensionsbolaget att genomf\u00f6ra flytten trots att spararen beg\u00e4rt flytt.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">S\u00e5 utnyttjas lagen f\u00f6r att kr\u00e5ngla till flyttar<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>H\u00e4r \u00e4r n\u00e5gra skr\u00e4ckexempel fr\u00e5n verkligheten p\u00e5 hur de stora pensionsj\u00e4ttarna s\u00e4tter i system att kr\u00e5ngla till flyttar, ibland med hj\u00e4lp av kravet p\u00e5 f\u00f6re detta arbetsgivares underskrift:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Pensionsbolaget kr\u00e4ver underskrift av \u201dbeh\u00f6rig firmatecknare\u201d, \u00e4ven i fall av exempelvis konkurs eller likvidation och n\u00e5gon s\u00e5dan firmatecknare som kan signera inte finns. D\u00e5 stannar hela flyttprocessen av.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Pensionsbolaget godk\u00e4nner inte att en arbetsgivares vd undertecknar, utan kr\u00e4ver att firmatecknare eller styrelse ska signera. Vilket f\u00f6rst\u00e5s f\u00f6rsv\u00e5rar f\u00f6r spararen.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Man beg\u00e4r komplettering av samma flyttuppdrag flera g\u00e5nger, s\u00e5 att spararen som vill flytta till slut tr\u00f6ttnar.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Man h\u00e4vdar att n\u00e5gon uppgift, s\u00e5 som ett organisationsnummer eller ett referensnummer, saknas \u2013 trots att det inte saknas.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Fullmakter, styrelseprotokoll och annat som skickas med i en beg\u00e4ran om att flytta pensionen \u201dtappas bort\u201d i processen.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>En vd f\u00e5r inte signera eget uppdrag \u00e4ven om han eller hon \u00e4ger hela bolaget.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Digitala blanketter godk\u00e4nns inte.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Svarstiderna \u00e4r l\u00e5nga, och inga svar p\u00e5 fr\u00e5gor ges.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Inget f\u00e5r skickas digitalt, utan skickas med \u201dsnigelpost\u201d.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Tar chansen att f\u00f6rhala<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>S\u00e5 som det uttrycks i lagtexten vad g\u00e4ller kravet p\u00e5 f\u00f6re detta arbetsgivares underskrift, s\u00e5 l\u00e4mnas utrymme \u00f6ppet f\u00f6r tolkning om vem som egentligen f\u00e5r signera en f\u00f6re detta anst\u00e4llds beg\u00e4ran om att flytta pensionen. Och det \u00e4r h\u00e4r pensionsbolag som m\u00e5nga vill l\u00e4mna, ofta de st\u00f6rre pensionsj\u00e4ttarna med generellt sett s\u00e4mre villkor, ser chansen att kr\u00e5ngla till flyttprocessen s\u00e5 mycket det bara g\u00e5r.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Fr\u00e5gan om kravet p\u00e5 f\u00f6re detta arbetsgivares underskrift kan tas bort utreds just nu av finansdepartementet, efter ett tillk\u00e4nnagivande fr\u00e5n riksdagen. I v\u00e5rt m\u00f6te med finansdepartementet med anledning av detta var vi tydliga med att det finns ett enkelt s\u00e4tt att bli av med kr\u00e5nglet. Det \u00e4r helt enkelt att ta bort kravet p\u00e5 f\u00f6re detta arbetsgivares underskrift i lagtexten f\u00f6r s\u00e5 kallade fribrev.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Gl\u00e4djande nog fick vi positiva signaler fr\u00e5n finansdepartementet. P\u00e5 departementet har man \u00e4ven lyssnat till Svensk F\u00f6rs\u00e4kring, som &#8211; vilket knappast f\u00f6rv\u00e5nar &#8211; inte tycker sig se n\u00e5gon problematik i dagsl\u00e4get. Intrycket \u00e4r dock att det finns en f\u00f6rst\u00e5else hos finansdepartementet varf\u00f6r man fr\u00e5n pensionsj\u00e4ttarnas sida inte vill se n\u00e5gon f\u00f6r\u00e4ndring. Tord Gransbo uttryckte det ocks\u00e5 som att det \u00e4r l\u00e4ttare att ta steg fram\u00e5t f\u00f6r flyttr\u00e4tten n\u00e4r det g\u00e4ller premiebest\u00e4mda fribrev inom fond- och dep\u00e5f\u00f6rs\u00e4kring.  Det h\u00e5ller vi p\u00e5 Nordnet med om, f\u00f6r komplexiteten \u00f6kar med traditionella livf\u00f6rs\u00e4kringar, \u00e4ven om man kan tycka att \u00e4ven de principiellt sett borde omfattas. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Vad h\u00e4nder nu?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Finansdepartementet kunde inte s\u00e4ga n\u00e5gon tidsplan f\u00f6r utredningen kring kravet p\u00e5 f\u00f6re detta arbetsgivares underskrift. Vad de d\u00e4remot kunde s\u00e4ga \u00e4r att de avser komma med n\u00e5gon nyhet p\u00e5 flyttr\u00e4ttsomr\u00e5det redan denna vecka. Vad det \u00e4r vet vi inte, men det \u00e4r inom temat &#8220;underl\u00e4tta f\u00f6r flytt av pension&#8221;. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>P\u00e5 Nordnet tog vi givetvis chansen att \u00e5terigen l\u00e4gga fram v\u00e5rt f\u00f6rslag p\u00e5 digital pensionsportal. Det vore en f\u00f6r\u00e4ndring som p\u00e5 riktigt skulle f\u00f6rhindra att pensionsj\u00e4ttar duckar den digitala utvecklingen och f\u00f6rhalar och f\u00f6rsv\u00e5rar f\u00f6r sparare som vill flytta sin pension. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Det handlar om v\u00e5ra pensioner<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Ibland talas det om att det inte vore bra med en \u201dflyttcirkus\u201d, och att sparare flyttar pension \u201dmot sin vilja\u201d. Det finns ingenting i en smidigare flyttprocess som talar mot att man skulle kunna ha en tv\u00e5stegsl\u00f6sning, d\u00e4r spararen f\u00e5r bekr\u00e4fta sin flytt i flera steg. Men att pensionsdrakars inl\u00e5sningar i d\u00e5liga villkor och uppfinningsrikt kr\u00e5ngel ska vara \u201dgaranten\u201d f\u00f6r en sund pensionsmarknad? Nej, tack. Spararna f\u00f6rtj\u00e4nar mer \u00e4n s\u00e5.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Vad tycker du om kravet p\u00e5 f\u00f6re detta arbetsgivares underskrift vid flytt av pension?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\/Frida<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Lagkravet p\u00e5 f\u00f6re detta arbetsgivares underskrift vid pensionsflytt st\u00e4ller till det rej\u00e4lt f\u00f6r sparare som vill flytta sin pension \u2013 ett faktum som utnyttjas av stora pensionsbolag som inte vill f\u00f6rlora kunder. I veckan tr\u00e4ffade vi f\u00f6retr\u00e4dare f\u00f6r finansdepartementet, och k\u00e4nslan \u00e4r gl\u00e4djande nog att f\u00f6rst\u00e5elsen f\u00f6r problematiken \u00e4r stor &#8211; och snart v\u00e4ntar en 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